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| Ok first to get rid of the spam bots:
This might be a lot of work but the Staff can make this(or multiple) fake site that promises to sell gold lower than all the competiton.
So the Staff makes their own spam bots that sells gold at a much lower rate than those normal gold selling sites.
Note that this has to happen constantly and slowly since some other gold site might reduce their rates lower too.
Just keep lowering the rates until the gold sellers give up.
Second, to get rid of the Gold Buyers:
Those fake sites that were made? They serve a dual purpose of trapping them Gold Buyers.
From what I know, Gold buyers and sellers have to meet at some place to trade the gold right?
So the ingame name of the buyer will have to be given. So what you get is a list of players to ban.
Get rid of the buyers and gold sellers won't make any money.
Note again, the rates of the fake sites have to be altered constantly and gold seller prices have to monitered too unless you want inflation.
lol Look at me rant! Like this will ever happen.
Edited by SeventhSky 6/29/2009 4:00 PM
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Location: Sleeping under the Giant Sofa ; ) | rofl that won't work. |
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Poring
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| How about why aside from, "They won't do it"? |
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Poporing
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Location: Singleville | $5 account set up fee. Then have the gms really crack down on bots. That way, every time someone is able to spawn more accounts after they've been banned (somehow). It will cost em money. Keep the server free but that needs to be done to prevent/help stop it and ppl having over 10 accounts. One guy who admitted it at dokes had more than one bot running for him.
Had to edit cause I didn't have time to write all that. xP Thats my solution...
Edited by Gen GAC 6/29/2009 3:18 PM
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Poporing
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| Or they can IP ban the source of the bots and take down a few innocent bystanders accidentally along the way.
Why doesn't muting, mute the bots? |
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Stone Poring
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| They don't use the client. IP bans don't work, anyone serious about bot farming(aka doing it for a living) knows how to use a proxy. |
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| Viridia - 6/28/2009 6:51 PM
They don't use the client. IP bans don't work, anyone serious about bot farming(aka doing it for a living) knows how to use a proxy. |
And they are VERY serious about it. After all, they are making a living from selling gold. |
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Stone Poring
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| Thats what I mean. IP blocking will just hurt legit people and not touch the bot armies in the least. |
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Poring
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| Viridia - 6/28/2009 7:06 PM
Thats what I mean. IP blocking will just hurt legit people and not touch the bot armies in the least. |
lol I felt my statement was necessary. |
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Poporing
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| Viridia - 6/29/2009 6:51 PM
They don't use the client. IP bans don't work, anyone serious about bot farming(aka doing it for a living) knows how to use a proxy. |
Actually, they have to create an account first and through that process the IP (if not using a proxy -- trust me not everyone is intelligent) will be memorized whatever source of (SQL?) iRO uses to store database information and every account further created through that IP would be linked. Nonetheless, most proxy sites used house the same IP as anyone else that use it but still connect. Example, if you and I use a proxy site together (same site) to perform different tasks in a website, we would both be traceable together. I tested this out in an IPB Forum.
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Enough of my gibberish:
There's no actual solution to banning these bots unless they create some sort of verification code box thing that appears before entering the game and randomly (once or twice) during game-play in order to validate who's an actual player or not.
Edit: See since here's the thing, bots cannot actually type into verification boxes -at all- if the box brings up random numbers or words all the time e.g: one-thousand-ninety-nine, one-hundred, and stuff since the system used to bot (I won't mention) isn't that advanced. The only very, very bad con about this is if a player was to have the box randomly appear during an MvP, PvP or escaping from monster session. Otherwise, annoying yes, but helpful most possibly.
Edited by Damascus 6/30/2009 11:19 AM
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Poporing
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Location: Singleville | So, no oppositions to my idea? xD |
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Poporing
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| Oh, I disagree with your suggestion, Gen.
No credit card yet at my age and I'd feel ridiculous asking my parents for aid to play a game.
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| Gen GAC - 6/29/2009 3:11 PM
$5 account set up fee. Then have the gms really crack down on bots. That way, every time someone is able to spawn more accounts after they've been banned (somehow). It will cost em money. Keep the server free but that needs to be done to prevent/help stop it and ppl having over 10 accounts. One guy who admitted it at dokes had more than one bot running for him.
Had to edit cause I didn't have time to write all that. xP Thats my solution... |
Okay I'll comment since you edited it. Terrible idea, they will STILL just use frauded credit card numbers. It won't slow them down in the least. The bots that cause the huge problems aren't individual users/people that play the game. They're people farming stuff for zeny to sell for a living. They generally don't use any of the bot client materials available to the general public but handle a lot of the coding themselves. |
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Poporing
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Location: Singleville | Wow. Well I didn't know they were that serious... It goes deeper than I thought. :x |
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Metaling
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Location: iRO Valkyrie | Possibly the simplest solution would be to hire more GMs to sweep over hotspots constantly. Though, as a legitament Rogue player, I'd be scared they'd ban me while handing in Antelope horns or something. |
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Metaling
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Location: England, United Kingdom | I know for certain that there are several viable and effective methods of automatically counteracting the use of bots. However, Gravity doesn't seem to take interest in such methods when they are suggested. Perhaps they are overly cautious of ideas suggested by players.
If any of Gravity's staff wants to have a serious discussion of this issue with a creative and experienced programmer, send me a private message.  |
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Location: illnois USA | Well what they could do is set some GM chars in towns and on the botted maps. Then reason i say that is my friend used to bot on Darkro and he told me that the bot programs avoid GMs and or Disconect to avoid them so the could just idle a few GM chars here and there and then that should help with the bots.
Edited by HolyBlade-Justice 7/12/2009 12:07 AM
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Mastering
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Location: Chicago | Said it a million times, there is no way to get rid of bots on any MMO. The only thing you can do is detour them, make it harder to do their illegal activity or have the community become more centered to ban against them. Since either especially the lesser isn't going to happen on iRO at the moment, the only way to retard the onslaught of botting is to make the registration process more tedious to do, so you can't merely drop crap in, and boom you're good to play. For game content, merely switching specific NPC,s in the training grounds and in for the 1st job class change. This makes it harder for bots to find specific NPC's and what not which gives the GM's time to ban those who are bots.
Also if the Codec can allow for it, on some quests you can see the NPC you're talking too displayed on your screen, asking what word is displayed on your screen or character would also slow it down. |
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Stone Poring
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Location: Payon, South Kafra | Urahara, I've had an idea similar to this in the past, but the GM's haven't implemented it, except in the training grounds. Basically, any effective tool against botters on Valk would make Valk not a f2p server. Premiums have paid only accounts, and every banned bot on there costs the botter 12$ or more PER BOT. When premiums had the 15 hour free trial, there were TONS of bots, even though the GM's were working to ban them, they were fighting a loosing battle to the ever expanding bot army. Today, Valk is f2p forever. That's good and bad. It seems you can't have your free game and have it not be ruined by botters...period.
Here's a list of your common suggestions and why they're rejected or not enough.
Pay for account activation - Violates the f2p premise of Valk server
Image decipher popups - Not viable in a server with such large population. the GM's would be swamped with complaints.
Legit users ban bots - Potential legit user - legit user abuse.
Encourage users to report - average user is busy/cant' be bothered/is too apathetic/benefits from the bots
Fake portals with loot inside - can trap legit users.
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| The thing with IP bans is, that most people don't HAVE static IPs... so they can just change it, and get unbanned.
Also, doing fake bots and fake sites is entrapment. Also, it's technically not illegal, since you you're buying stuff from IRO, not a third party. I can see people suing RO for doing somehting like that to them.
And I've TRIED reporting bots. The GMs are just too busy to do much about it. And the fact that the spam bots relog and log new ones in every so often as well.
A lot of the spam bots also have hacked clients, so they can spam away to their hearts content, since it's judged on the clients side, rather than the server side. The only true way to fix that is to 1) put it on the server side and 2) make it so that you can only say X amount of things per minute. This will also cut down on people that only say one word sentances constantly (which bothers me!)
However, they seem to refuse to touch the server side code, since a lot of bugs back in BETA are still floating around. |
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| how about making a security program that blocks botting programs of all kind. idk the names of any but im sure there are a few that r very popular and up to date with what goes on in the games. and make it so when you download ro or intall a new episode that security will be there to block botting programs and proxys from entering at all. and i know a bot expert who was train to spot them a mile away because she use to be apart of staff. but hey its just an i dea since all the other ones get bypassed. |
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| GM's shouldn't have to waste time creating fake sites to catch bots or people who buy zeny. The reality is that bots will always exist, at least on Iris (I don't know about chaos and loki) there aren't tons of them all over the place like before. I feel bad for valk though it seems they got all the bots. |
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| You guys want a solution to getting rid of bots. Its easy as hell Take out a few minutes of your time and turn in 1 bot a day. Report 1 high lvl bot a day esp if it has a blank card in its mouth. 1 a day is 30 a month if 100 people do it thats 3000 a month problem solved. Instead of posting and complaining on this forums use the same amount of time to go to look for 1 bot and report it. I used to come on forums and complain too but all the solutions that GMs came up with were worked around in a few days. So just send in reports and those dam botter will be hit hard. Seventh Sky when was the last time you reported a bot? Maybe you never had? Well it all starts with the community stop being lazy and just report. |
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| azzain you know why there are bots on Iris? Because I stopped reporting them also people from Chaos and Loki bot Iris and in turn use the zeny and xfer it to thier servers. Getting caught on Iris is harder than Loki or Chaos. After I get back ima go bot hunting. |
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| hurt I think you are right about bots not really getting caught on Iris. I always check the blocked list and I rarely see people getting blocked on Iris even though I see bots every once in a while. I used to report bots on Iris every time I saw one but now it's harder to do because they teleport away as soon as they see you. |
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Metaling
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| Well, maybe you all weren't around awhile ago but there was great debate about a potential solution to the bot issue and almost sure fire solution for the botting issue was reached. That solution is Valk server. The GM's decided to drive the bots to one server since they were handicapped when it came to ridding us of the nuisance forever and now you want the bots removed from the land in which they were exiled to lol. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I have reported bots for years and until I was blue in the face and they are still here.
I have two suggestions tho for assisting with the reduction of bots and zeny sellers. Currently we have a Hall of Fame for the RO Community to see all accomplishments for the RO players but there should also be a Hall of Shame. HoS would be for all the people that are banned for zeny selling/purchasing (and other bannable offenses) and especially people that were more popular amongst the community put on blast. The worse and shameful of an image the very act becomes the less likely people are to do these same actions. I know I wouldn't want to buy zeny on my main character if I was going to be crucified for it throughout the site and mocked openly with screenshots. Alot of people undergo name changes and such to avoid the horrible name they have created for themselves. If after x amount of negative and bannable offenses they should not be allowed a name change. This is not to be confused with the "suspended accounts" section that really goes unnoticed unless someone is looking for it but a main section linked directly from the RO front page. Not only would it serve as a deterrent but would give some assurance to new gamers that the RO staff is serious about such offenses. With the way things are currently, no offense but the chances of being banned are laughable.
The biggest impact the community can have on the botting/zeny selling community is to give it sucha terrible reputation and let others know how strongly you feel against it in your friends circle. Not to mention instilling this into the new community that joins the game. |
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Location: LOKI/lost in idel thought | There are really 2 side's to this problem.
I played runescape while there "bot war" was ongoing. they used a combo of log of after 30 sec's of non mouse movment,and 20 diffrent random event's. nothing worked. the only way they could drasticly halt the gold seller's/botters was to nerf the trade ablity. they set up a market place,had set prices for thing's you could sell and buy,and limited the amount of money you could trade/give a player to every 30 mins and at max was 50k at level 120! Like it or not the bot's are what stablelize the game economy/item production. take for instance card's .04 drop rate on pro server's average find time is 12-14 hours for a card flat grinding. sounds like fun right,bot's get the cards 2 and 3 a day because of how many are running for a guy. Then we buy them duh. we are supporting the bot's by buying from there shops/ and these shops are not hard to find. how many legit players are selling 10-15k ant horns daily,how many people have 4 or 5 raydric cards that they can sell.
Im far from a bot supporter,if there was a ingame report button i would use it. if i knew how to report i would. here is the problem,for every bot banned 3 more take it's place.
the only way to stop botter's is to stop playing iro,and thats not going to happen. |
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Santa Poring
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| The best thing to do would simply be more/better moderation.
Everyday i click ignore whispering on about 10 people in pront. Every day i see about 100 bots in various dungeons.
If i could press "ban" instead, then they'd be gone. Sure more would come, but if every day i walked around payon 2-3, and elder willow and pront, i would ban hundreds, and it would at least cut their profitability.
Secondly though, this should not happen on valkyrie. It is a free server and the admins/moderators need to keep the bots in check on the paid servers. And I am a valkyrie player, i'm just not biased and think its right that the benefits go to the premium servers. My understanding is that valkyrie is part of the solution to the bot problem, and as we are not paying for it, then we cannot really ask for too much in my opinion. Its a take it or leave it situation and I'd rather take it. |
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Stone Poring
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| They should somehow lock the players on valkyrie currently and make a new server thats free so the bots can bot there! That way we can have premium premium servers, premium servers and new valkyrie with all the bots. oh... |
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Location: Chaos/Iris | Viri thats you assuming the so called premium servers are really the premium ones to begin with. |
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My Way to Get Rid of Bots on Valkyrie (Solutions Welcomed)
